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Post by Pleonast on Sept 11, 2012 14:05:24 GMT -8
Another Night. Go to it.
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Post by cabal3 on Sept 11, 2012 14:06:20 GMT -8
Red Skeezix is a Necromancer.
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Post by cabal3 on Sept 11, 2012 14:07:56 GMT -8
Since the Necromancer ability is completely useless to us, should I cancel the doubling effect (I assume the cancellation would take effect at Dawn) so that we can out him if necessary?
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Post by cabal9 on Sept 11, 2012 14:15:45 GMT -8
That makes a fair bit of sense.
You can cancel but you can still zombify someone Tonight, correct?
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Post by cabal3 on Sept 11, 2012 14:19:58 GMT -8
I could, yes.
To what end?
Just to mess with Red?
I assume the Zombie I create would count toward the Undead win condition...and would continue to do so until after I die (which I hope is 'not at all'). So would that really be the wisest course of action?
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Post by cabal9 on Sept 11, 2012 14:42:21 GMT -8
I see your point. I was thinking that creating another zombie and delaying the Town Win condition by an extra Day could help us at the end, without helping Undead too much (since they are already down Colby).
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Post by cabal9 on Sept 11, 2012 14:52:46 GMT -8
Who is a good candidate for investigation? I will go to the low-info pile if no other candidate emerges - Nesta.
Or, I can object block Guiri if we think he will draw any fire.
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Post by cabal3 on Sept 11, 2012 14:53:30 GMT -8
And it might. I hadn't considered using the ability before you mentioned it, but now that you have I'm not absolutely opposed to the idea...
It could certainly cause some confusion and unrest, and if the Undead are as handicapped as we think it probably isn't terribly dangerous. If nothing else, it would be good for a laugh or two...
If, on the other hand, there are more Undead out there than we think there are, it might be a Very Bad Thing.
All in all, I think we're probably better off not creating any Zombies, but I have a PM out to Pleonast to get some confirmation of exactly how some things work, and hope to be able to make a good decision later this evening.
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Post by cabal3 on Sept 11, 2012 15:07:48 GMT -8
A quick "state of the game" report:
It's probably safe to assume at this point that Colby was a Vampire
We investigated Bill and got the result "Wolf". Bill claims he tergeted vindictus with his Magician ability that Night, so at least one of those two must be a Wolf
Known roles are
Witch - Scuba Ben
Witch - Septimus
Necromancer - Red Skeezix
Undead (probably Vampire) - Colby11 (dead)
Werewolf - guiri
Werewolf - either BillMc or vindictus
Claims are
Magician - Kid Vermicious
Vicar - Askthepizzaguy
Freemason - vindictus
'Unknowns' are
babale
gnarlycharlie
nesta
Polluxo
Inner Stickler (Town, dead)
Giraffe (Town, dead)
Merestil Haye (Town, dead)
Sister Coyote (dead)
BillMc (claimed Magician, possibly Wolf, dead)
Roles that we haven't seen yet (which may or may not be in the game)
Coroner
Detective
Scotsman (possibly SisC)
Seer
Vigilante (since Colby wasn't one)
Warlock
Witchdoctor
We will get Role reveals on the three dead Townies at dawn, along with a Faction reveal on SisC. that ought to help makes things a lot cleared (for us anyway).
For Tonight, our top priority would seem to be simply avoiding being Night Killed.
It appears our Vampire is dead, and I'm betting our Vigilante is as well, judging by the lack of carnage last Night. We may be down to only the Wolf kill, and our own.
At the moment (though this could change at any time):
I believe KidV's claim
I believe that Pizza is Town (though I'm not so sure he's a Vicar)
I think vindictus is a Wolf
We don't need to worry about ben, Red or guiri, since we have them subject-blocked.
We don't need to worry about babale or gnarlycharlie, since they are subject-blocked as a penalty for not voting.
So, people that could do something that might affect us:
Pizza - if he's a Vicar, then we have nothing to worry about. If he's something else, we might.
KidV - he can't really hurt us as a Magician, unless he redirects a kill that winds up hitting us.
Nesta - complete mystery
Polluxo - complete mystery, though perhaps one of you has an idea as to what he is
Septimus - could investigate one of us, though with all the possible redirections, that's probably not a death sentence in any case
vindictus - either a Magician or a Wolf
My inital thoughts on what to do tonight
Squid kills Pizza
Suburban subject-blocks vindictus
Wombat investigates Polluxo
With that, I'm on my way home from work. I'll check in later this evening...by which time I'll probably have changed my mind three times...
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Post by cabal9 on Sept 11, 2012 16:01:52 GMT -8
Why Pizza - unless he's a Witch, is he a concern?
I say kill Septimus (who won't be lynched and will have to be killed; might as well start trying to kill him now) or Vindictus (strongest Wolf candidate; but he might be lynched soon).
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Post by cabal9 on Sept 11, 2012 16:12:52 GMT -8
If our top priority is to survive the Night, then you should object block Guiri - prevent anyone taking a shot at him that would kill Squid. (I'm not sure how big of a target Guiri is at the moment, he's not getting very much heat, but just in case.)
Then all 3 of us are as protected as we can reasonably be.
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Post by cabal9 on Sept 11, 2012 16:44:29 GMT -8
looking again at Pleo's post #3 in the Rules thread - it explicity states that a secret power may be activated upon death.
So players are trying to die to activate their power. This is probably what Bill did, and what Vindictus, KidV, and possibly Scuba Ben (with his outside link post which did not get a penalty vote but should have).
Maybe they are all Town and all are trying to activate Town's secret power. But it would have to be death + some other action, or else the Townies that have already died would have activated their secret power also.
Death plus being in possession of a penalty vote? It sounds kooky, but Scuba Ben's outside link in his post at Dusk is very, very odd. It had to be deliberate.
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Post by cabal8 on Sept 11, 2012 16:53:45 GMT -8
That is weird.
I also have to apologize for both my absence and for thinking I was already lynch leader when I posted - I figured I couldn't make it worse, and that Polluxo could be implicated in me 'distancing' myself from him.
In any case, not so sure on the pizza kill. I think we need to focus on our victory conditions, and unless we think pizza is the third Witch, we should be trying to kill Scuba or Septimus while we still have the NK.
What do you all think?
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Post by cabal3 on Sept 11, 2012 17:24:29 GMT -8
I selected Pizza for the kill simply because I don't trust him, I think he's up to no good, and I think having him dead is always better than having him alive if he's not on your team. Plus, I figured the odds on him being protected are significantly longer than the odds on Septimus being protected.
But I agree we need to try to take out a Witch while we have the opportunity. If you guys would rather take a shot at Septimus that's fine with me.
What do you think about the other actions? Is vindictus or Pizza (or somebody else) a better target for a block? And should Wombat investigate, or should he protect one of us?
I'm currently waiting to hear back from Pleo on some specifics of exactly how and when things happen should I choose to cancel my duplication of Red Skeezix Tonight. Which I'm not sure if I should do or not. We certainly don't need the ability, so it's down to a matter of who we think will be targeted for a kill first: me or Red?
I think all of us are 'on the radar' as far as being lynch candidates, so it might be nice for each of us to have a 'stand-in' Tomorrow for that.
We now have a known dead Cabalist and a known dead Undead. Does that mean the focus tomorrow will really be on finding a Wolf? What if SisC flips Wolf; will that change things?
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Post by cabal3 on Sept 11, 2012 20:26:08 GMT -8
OK, I did find out from Pleo that if we want to cancel our doubling ability, the cancellation takes place as soon as we send in the cancellation order.
Which means that if one of our doubles looks like they are going to be lynched, we can cancel the power any time before End of Day and avoid the lynch.
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Post by cabal9 on Sept 12, 2012 4:05:37 GMT -8
Good to know about the doubles.
Kill Septimus
Redirect Wolfy Vindictus?
Investigate: we need to identify witch or wolf. With two outed witches, the third or fourth one might be in hiding-but-post-enough-not-to-die mode - Nesta?
Keep in mind I've had no coffee yet this morning.
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Post by cabal8 on Sept 12, 2012 5:20:18 GMT -8
OK. I'm on board with killing Septimus. Redirecting vindy could have great benefits - maybe redirect him onto Scuba Ben in the hopes they give him the kill to perform?
I think we need to investigate gnarlycharlie or babale. If there is a Vig still out there, they'll take out nesta ( I think ) and then the investigation won't be as useful. There has been discussion about babale potentially being a freemason and gnarly will probably gain more time from the Vig because he's a more familiar face...
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Post by cabal9 on Sept 12, 2012 5:39:58 GMT -8
if we redirect Vindy to Ben then I would have to undouble Ben or else I would die.
I could go for a GC investigation.
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Post by cabal9 on Sept 12, 2012 5:43:31 GMT -8
Why do you think a vig would take out nesta over GC or babale?
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Post by cabal8 on Sept 12, 2012 6:03:36 GMT -8
Oops - good point. No redirection onto Ben then.
I think a potential Vig would choose nesta or babale over gnarlycharlie because gnarly is something more of a known quantity, while nesta and babale are unfamiliar to some of us here - newer faces/names (I am assuming the Vig is one of the group that plays here more often.)
Between nesta and babale, not sure, but there was that discussion about whether vindy should handshake babale. Looking at KidV's list, it could go the other way since he has nesta listed as not Cabal. Hmpf. Guess that's not a very useful train of thought after all.
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Post by cabal8 on Sept 12, 2012 6:04:21 GMT -8
Maybe redirect vindy to pizza? It won't help if he's a vampire, but...
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Post by cabal3 on Sept 12, 2012 6:24:28 GMT -8
I think we should hold on to our redirect for one more Night at least.
It would be ideal to have it in our back pocket so that we can redirect a Witch and get a kill. And I'd really rather not use it on someone who is still an unknown.
The think with GC and Babale is that they are both handicapped by their non-votes. They were mod-blocked Tonight and yesterDay for not having a Day 3 vote, and the same goes for Day/Night 2. I'd think that would make them both lower priority targets for any sort of Night kill, since they are not taking any behind-the-scenes action...plus, if they continue to rack up penalty votes, they're going to get lynched soon anyway.
If I were a Vig, I'd probably go for nesta at this point.
Does everyone believe Pizza's claim that he's the Vicar? Do you think he might be the Scotsman? Or is everybody on the Town team just trying to get themselves killed on purpose?
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Post by cabal3 on Sept 12, 2012 6:28:27 GMT -8
I seem to be on everybody's "most likely to be Cabal" list.
At what point should I think about confirming those suspicions, and what information if any should I divulge?
At this point I plan to keep silent unless I start to be under significant lynch pressure. And since I plan to keep doubling Red Skeezix for the moment, I suppose I really don't have to worry too much about that.
I just hope nobody decides to Vig Red Tonight. But since he keeps being mentioned as my probable Cabal-mate, he's probably safe until a Wolf or two end up dead.
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Post by cabal8 on Sept 12, 2012 6:38:56 GMT -8
None yet, I would hope. Town doesn't know we have a NK possibility, and thinks we're in worse shape than we actually are. If things turn very pear-shaped by Dawn, we may want to revisit.
Sent the PM about killing Septimus... probably won't be back before EoN... ::waves::
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Post by Pleonast on Sept 12, 2012 7:04:55 GMT -8
I'm not seeing any consensus for blocks. I'll check back later.
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