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Post by mutineer2 on Aug 18, 2009 13:51:16 GMT -8
A hopeful silver lining to the missed brigging cloud may be just a little more cloud of doubt over Chronos and Scuba. Hopefully we get a brigging one way or the other today, and/or hopefully you get investigated as Town.
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Post by mutineer2 on Aug 18, 2009 15:54:31 GMT -8
Nevermind. There is no silver lining.
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Post by mutineer2 on Aug 20, 2009 18:00:54 GMT -8
No hard feelings, Inner, regardless of what I get to prattling on about in here.
Do I understand things correctly if we can just get Hal lynched and Darth brigged, then there won't be a Doctor who can out me?
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Post by mutineer3 on Aug 20, 2009 21:46:52 GMT -8
Urk. Doesn't look like there's much in the way of salvageability here.
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Post by mutineer3 on Aug 20, 2009 22:27:59 GMT -8
Should I burn the doc investigation so the masons can't use it?
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Post by mutineer2 on Aug 21, 2009 7:18:16 GMT -8
My understanding was not correct. If we lost the Doc instead of the Engineer once numbers got low, we may have stood a chance.
If you use up the doctor's exam like that there's no way that Hal will swing before you, I don't think. But we don't really have any other options. I could've brigged Chronos this Morning but I'd be first in line for the noose. If you burn it on me or ColdPhoenix, and I put you in the brig right away, maybe the plan can still go forward, but I think you'll be lynched.
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Post by mutineer3 on Aug 21, 2009 7:35:08 GMT -8
So. I time my investigation using for late in the day, get brigged.
No time to swap to me so Hal gets tossed out an airlock.
Nightkill of Chronos or Scuba. Leaves us with 4 people. 1 confirmed loyal, one loyal unconfirmed, 1 unbrigged scum, 1 scum in the brig. That's three handed.
Can the jailbreak be used along with a night kill by Cookies - That would be 2 on 2, but me being close to confirmed bad.
So I guess the question is over who I should investigate and what the investigation should read. 4 possibilities, all full of WiFoM.
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Post by Pleonast on Aug 21, 2009 7:57:41 GMT -8
Special abilities can be used independently. So the mutinous cracker can kill and crack. Have fun!  |
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Post by mutineer2 on Aug 21, 2009 8:57:12 GMT -8
If we could just get a Doctor's examination done on you. In the morning, I could claim your release if I explain my power to be a one-time ability to release "the highest ranking Town-aligned player" in the Brig. And I used it because it seemed like a way to get an investigation done on you.
It may keep us afloat a small bit longer.
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Post by mutineer2 on Aug 21, 2009 11:32:25 GMT -8
Please bust Darth out of the slammer, post haste[/color]
I think I should kill Chronos and I think you should smear ColdPhoenix as a Rebel in your results.
In the morning, I'll claim to have released you with my slighly modified power which "confirms" you as Town.
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Post by mutineer3 on Aug 21, 2009 12:42:32 GMT -8
That could work, but I think that the way I played that doesn't set us up too well for that to actually work out.
Maybe it would. I was planning on flipping a coin as far as which way to judge CP - no getting into my head as far as WIFOM.
Agreed on taking down Chronos - he's definitely the leader of the two, and you should be able to effectively steer 3 handed.
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Post by mutineer2 on Aug 21, 2009 13:20:52 GMT -8
So you think we should just leave the explanation of how you get out of the Brig unsaid? I agree that particular ship has pretty much already sailed. The only real question is which path sets us up better for 3-handed between Scuba, Cold, and I...me continuing to lay low, or me making somewhat dubious claims about having a power that was used to both release you and provide insight to your alignment.
The statements that have me worried in three-handed: I've advocated investigating you multiple times, but the one time I voted for you it was removed very quickly once you showed up from lurking. That is not going to look good for me once you are exposed as a Godfather.
But...
I've laid some groundwork from the beginning of the game that can be spun as bread-crumbing my "power". I expressed "concern" about Town power roles having actions that could confuse Town-aligned investigators. My fake power would look quite strange if there were multiple unconfirmed people in the Brig and I was seen to be breaking one of them out of jail by an Engineer.
Even my most recent statements of liking that you are in the Brig can be spun as breadcrumbs after-the-fact. Having you in the Brig is the only way that I could try my investigation-by-way-of-attempting-release "power". I'd just have to pull off a fair amount of being completely surprised that you were actually released.
It is a hard decision to make for me. Which angle is Scuba more likely to buy? That ColdPhoenix somehow survived as scum to the end-game and released you from the Brig, or that an unconfirmed Townie Cookies has been quietly harboring a jail-breaking power that only releases a Town player, who turns out to be Darth despite all indications otherwise?
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Post by mutineer2 on Aug 21, 2009 13:26:26 GMT -8
Argh. This really is a dilemma. Releasing you and not trying to explain or claim it is simpler. Because it is simpler I think I'm leaning that way. Cold might just say something conjecture wise that will set off Scuba's suspicion enough. If I provide too much convenient information, he won't have that chance to shoot himself in the foot.
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Post by mutineer2 on Aug 21, 2009 13:28:44 GMT -8
I will kill Chronos[/color] but can we hold Dawn until the maximum deadline so that Darth and I can continue to drive ourselves nuts with the "if/but" game?
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Post by Pleonast on Aug 21, 2009 13:42:44 GMT -8
Got your orders.
Time tables are set, sending orders in early doesn't change them. (You may not be the only one with Night powers, remember.)
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Post by mutineer2 on Aug 21, 2009 14:10:17 GMT -8
Yeah I'm actually kinda expecting Chronos to be protected by Cold somehow. Thanks for reinforcing my paranoia.  |
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Post by mutineer2 on Aug 21, 2009 18:05:52 GMT -8
Are you going to provide any Doctor results, Darth? If we don't move forward with me claiming to have busted you out Tomorrow, it seems a WIFOM coinflip whether you report Cold as Mutie or Loyal.
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Post by mutineer3 on Aug 22, 2009 13:31:54 GMT -8
You could say that your power didn't work. Come out strong against me at day start.
The coin I flipped says that my investigatee is clean (which matches the actual PM).
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Post by mutineer2 on Aug 22, 2009 16:09:55 GMT -8
You are going to be released from the Brig in the Dawn color (baring anything interfering with your release) and you think I should claim that I tried to release you but failed? I don't see how that would gain us anything that can't be gained by just railing on you for interfering with the plan to have Scuba the Doctor investigate me.
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Post by mutineer2 on Aug 22, 2009 16:11:30 GMT -8
And you know that it is ok to share the Doctor results at Night, and that is what everyone is expecting from you, right?
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Post by mutineer2 on Aug 22, 2009 18:47:11 GMT -8
Right?
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Post by mutineer3 on Aug 23, 2009 8:59:06 GMT -8
Yeah. I've just been rather busy.
And that's a good point. Just leave it mysterious - I might claim that it's my godfatherness.
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