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Post by Pleonast on Jan 22, 2013 8:42:01 GMT -8
Bwahaha! Start your plotting.
You have a lot to digest. Please feel free to ask me questions (in green).
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Post by Guiri on Jan 23, 2013 9:38:17 GMT -8
Hell, am I confused... I'll have a decent re-read and will pop back in later.
I'm unsure what the mod meant about revealing ourselves here but I'm a devil, the hungry one, looking forward to claiming some souls with you all!!!
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Post by Pleonast on Jan 23, 2013 9:51:00 GMT -8
Always post with a Devilish sock account in this Hell forum or in the Purgatory forum. Do not put any identifiable info in your sock account's profile (because the profiles are easy to access by anyone).
However, posts in this Hell forum are secure, except that players in Heaven can spy on you (stupid angels). So you're generally safe to expose yourself here, but you may not want to. Any non-Devil players who are put here cannot talk to anyone else, so they can't leak info.
In the Purgatory forum, non-Devil players can potentially communicate with living players via the Medium role. So absolutely do not reveal your real user name there.
My suggestions: 1) Make a "real" sock account for use in this forum when you want to post absolutely essential information (like you role name). 2) Make a second sock account for use in this forum for general use. 3) Make a third or fourth sock account to fool around in Purgatory.
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Post by ashtaroth on Jan 23, 2013 13:54:16 GMT -8
You lost me with all the socks.
Will what we write here ever have a chance of being read by players who can affect the game?
So if we were to write: 'Let's target Pleonast', Town will know Pleonast is not a devil?
Second, I don't understand purgatory.. Should I just create a 'Bob' account there?
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Post by Pleonast on Jan 23, 2013 14:10:01 GMT -8
There's five forums for this game.
"Earth", that is, the main game threads over on Idle's board. Only living players can post there.
"Priory" is the secret "Mason" board that only the living Friar, Monk and Nun can post to.
"Purgatory" is where dead non-Devils can post if they have any sins when they died. They can only post there until they transition to Heaven or Hell. All Devils, living and dead, can post there as well. However, the Medium role (go read the role description) can potentially communicate with players there. So that is not a secure forum.
"Hell" is the secret forum for Devils (living and dead), plus players who have had their soul claimed by a Devil. A non-Devil player who can post here, cannot post anywhere else. This forum is generally secure, except for the last forum.
"Heaven" is the secret forum for non-Devil players who manage to reach zero sins when dead. That forum is completely spoiled--they will everything about the game (that is, everything you have here, plus which players are which roles, plus actions and results, passwords to all secret forums, etc). The only thing they won't have is which Devil sock accounts correspond to which Devil players/roles. Players in Heaven cannot communicate with any players who are not in Heaven. So you don't have to worry about them revealing you based on info posted here. But, players in Heaven each get a once-per-game anti-Devil protection power and will probably be spying on you to decide how to use it.
Players can always read any board they've been given access to.
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Post by ashtaroth on Jan 23, 2013 14:21:01 GMT -8
Thanks clear it up a lot thanks.
One more question:
The list of roles in the game shown here. They are only visible to us and the spoiled, right? And you haven't stated anywhere that there is only one of each role, right?
If so, I have an idea:
Someone who isn't The Great Deceiver will at some point claim to be The Innocent. We will then push that lynch, and The Horseman of War will use his post-soul claim ability to fix the lynch so as to give the claim credibility.
Risky and overly complicated you say? Yeah, but also fun for all parties.
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Post by Pleonast on Jan 23, 2013 14:28:23 GMT -8
Every role is used exactly once. 26 players in 26 different roles. But only you know that.
The only things non-Devils know are the public rules and their own PM.
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Post by reaper on Jan 23, 2013 15:41:34 GMT -8
Thanks for posting all the information- Guess a reread is the first step
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Post by Guiri on Jan 24, 2013 8:44:26 GMT -8
FYI, from the role PMs: 1. You must stop the Devils from winning. You don't exactly know what that entails, but here are some hints: a. Lynching or killing Devils will always help your team. b. Removing your sins will always help your team, but increasing them may or may not be beneficial. c. Never reveal to another player nor allow another player to figure out your Cardinal Sin.
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Post by war on Jan 24, 2013 9:29:29 GMT -8
War checking in. I assume we're allowed to strategize 24-7, but I think we shouldn't for at least the first few Days. If one of us gets caught out by a random lynch wagon, we don't want that lynch leading to the rest of us like just happened in Sister's game on the Geeb.
I intend to play during the Day as if I don't know you all - that means I may inadvertently bus you because I've only glanced at your real names. I think the rest of you should do the same, and absolutely at all costs avoid coordinating votes or trying to intentionally bus or save another scum... just be Towny, and Town will have a hell of a time trying to catch tells off us. As we move from midgame into endgame, then we can start scumming for real, and it'll be too late for Town to connect the dots.
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Post by lucius on Jan 24, 2013 9:36:49 GMT -8
so why aren't we telling each other who we are? this is supposed to be a safe forum.
as Pleo has stated, make a completely different sock for Purgatory. you can use your regular name for the rest of the fora in Pleo's board.
btw, a sock is an alternate account to your regular one on the "Earth" thread. we are using socks now. we should use different socks in Purgatory. make one, two, or more.
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Post by Pleonast on Jan 24, 2013 9:43:50 GMT -8
By the way, for my own moderator sanity, please send me a PM here with your (Idle-board) player name from each sock account once it's approved.
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Post by ashtaroth on Jan 24, 2013 14:01:39 GMT -8
Patricia: You made a slip.. You made it sound like you only have 2 wincon hints.
I think you need to figure out some reason why you would ask Guiri if he had 3 hints.. Every town player has 3 wincons, and I think Lightfoot noticed.
I suggest you try to explain it by stating that you thought the last wincon (the one about the cardinal sin) was exclusive to you, so you wanted to keep it secret.
Just a heads up before it gets out of hand.
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Post by ashtaroth on Jan 24, 2013 15:07:18 GMT -8
Hm.. Maybe they are letting it go.. Not sure. I think it is easily salvageable.
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Post by Guiri on Jan 25, 2013 2:46:00 GMT -8
Sorry for the bus, couldn't let the contradiction stand unnoted...
I think the only way out is some sort of a variation on The Innocent, with just two hints, and Patricia was afraid to be different so pretended to have all three?
Maybe something like "The Meek" or "The Purist" who can not accumulate any sins?
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Post by ashtaroth on Jan 25, 2013 4:49:56 GMT -8
Something like the innocent would be a good idea.
HOWEVER, if you full claim now, you will get lynched anyway to test your claim, and Town will know that we have a list of town powers.
That particular card could be the key to our victory, so please don't play it already.
Just post the part of your PM that states that your wincons - make them up.
If things don't change, we will have no choice but to bus you.
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Post by ashtaroth on Jan 25, 2013 4:51:27 GMT -8
I have a bright idea.
Patricia: you should ask town if someone else can verify that they do not have all three wincons. That will help you get out of the noose, and it will let us know who the innocent is.
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Post by war on Jan 25, 2013 9:50:33 GMT -8
That's worth a shot. Fingering the innocent would be worth it even if we have to stretch you anyway. I gotta be honest though, from a Town perspective it looks like you've put your foot in it twice. Admitting to lying is not a good way to keep your head down on Day One, yannow?
I wish we had a tracking power available. It was awful nice of Idle to let us know he's getting a visit from the Confessor.
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Post by war on Jan 25, 2013 9:53:30 GMT -8
so why aren't we telling each other who we are? this is supposed to be a safe forum. . I don't wanna know who you guys are yet. I'm bugged that I know Patricia is a teammate, it's going to color how I react to her and I didn't want that. Also, we're using fake names because all these are sub boards of Pleo's main board, and if you ever get lynched/killed and want to pretend you're in Purgatory, you'll need to use your real name there and don't want somebody clicking on your previous posts and finding out you've been posting in Hell. There's a medium that could blow your cover, dig?
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Post by war on Jan 25, 2013 13:40:42 GMT -8
I wonder why it was an offered thing though. As in not just a day action but something Idle had to accept? (presuming he's telling the truth obviously) Sent from my GT-N7100 using proboards Doesn't have a cardinal sin?
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Post by Guiri on Jan 25, 2013 14:18:23 GMT -8
Not necessarily, I think Lust is the only cardinal sin that the target player has to agree to, this is a Day power at play - the confessor.
So, Idle is The Shepherd, has partially misled town with his incomplete claim.
The Confessor has targeted him and so Idle, who has no powers anyway, will not be able to take any actions toNight and will be as good as confirmed non-devil toMorrow. However he's also immune to our soul stealing (as long as there are other souls in purgatory).
BillMc is either The Innocent or The Penitent? He's claims to have no sins. So, he's either the Vig or immune to the lynch!
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Post by war on Jan 26, 2013 0:34:00 GMT -8
BillMc is either The Innocent or The Penitent? He's claims to have no sins. So, he's either the Vig or immune to the lynch! That's just what I was coming in to check on, and I think you're right. Mebbe I'm slow, where did you get that Idle is the Shepherd?
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Post by Guiri on Jan 26, 2013 0:38:41 GMT -8
The Shepherd is the only role with those extra clues...
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Post by war on Jan 26, 2013 0:39:49 GMT -8
Nevermind, I see it now.
"3. If you are killed by a Devil, either directly or via redirection, or if at least half of the effective votes on you when you are lynched are by Devils, then you gain the following powers while you are in Purgatory. a. You will go to Purgatory even if you are without sin. You may stay in Purgatory for as long as you wish, but once you leave you may not come back. b. No Devil may attempt to claim your soul while another Christian is in Purgatory. (And your soul cannot be claimed if you have no sins.)"
So it would suck to have Idle in Purgatory after he's been de-sinned.
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Post by Guiri on Jan 26, 2013 3:45:15 GMT -8
I hope I've managed to spread a little bit of misinformation, in the Catholic Church, purgatory is a step towards heaven only, you cannot go to hell once you've arrived on purgatory...
I'm still unsure how we win... 1. There are no living non-Devil players and each Devil has claimed at least one soul. Isn't everyone besides the devils a non-devil? Or do claimed souls become devils? But they're dead. So we need to kill off everyone else AND meet a second, difficult, condition? What happens if a devil is lynched or killed before they claim a soul? We can't meet this wincon if Patricia is lynched toDay? 2. At least half of all living players are Devils and at least one-third of all non-Devil players have had their soul claimed by any Devil. Again, similar to the typical scum wincon of controlling the lynch but with the extra requirement of 7 claimed souls? or 3. At least two-thirds of all non-Devil players have had their soul claimed by any Devil. 14 claimed souls? With only one per Night? What am I missing?
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