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Post by scratch on Mar 23, 2013 3:49:11 GMT -8
The problem is that we can still win even though the Devils are all dead and to be honest, just giving up feels wrong. I have played in several games where it would have been easier to give up and have both won and lost in those situations. However, given this game, I would like to make the following offer: There are likely to be three or four people in Purgatory this Night. - If we gain all of them, we win, as we would have enough bonus abilities to screw the town over.
- If we miss one, we call it a draw.
- If we miss two or more, we'll call it quits.
I would, of course, require my fellow devils to agree with this. But it does mean this game will be over by the end of Night Ten, one way or another. So, who would like to make a deal with a Devil.
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Post by Mahaloth on Mar 23, 2013 4:16:09 GMT -8
There are likely to be three or four people in Purgatory this Night. - If we gain all of them, we win, as we would have enough bonus abilities to screw the town over.
- If we miss one, we call it a draw.
- If we miss two or more, we'll call it quits.
I would, of course, require my fellow devils to agree with this. But it does mean this game will be over by the end of Night Ten, one way or another. Missing two or more is so likely, we are almost definitely destined to lose in this scenario. I still want to play for the win. I'll immediately change my mind if you think we can guess all of them. Do we know their Sins? Otherwise, I say play on, make guesses on Sins, and try to win. Wasn't everyone told that this game required play beyond death? Christians, etc. should be aware that there is a chance for the dead team to win. Heck, when I died, I literally posted in the Night thread "Ouch. Don't. Stop." It was obvious I wasn't that pissed about getting lynched because I knew we could play on.
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Post by Mahaloth on Mar 23, 2013 5:46:22 GMT -8
I've gone ahead and change my name back to Mahaloth on here. I was evil and evil dead.
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Post by reaper on Mar 24, 2013 11:29:42 GMT -8
I have been dead all game and have enjoyed playing - so I will go the top choice of others- either way it has been fun.
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Post by Guiri on Mar 24, 2013 11:40:24 GMT -8
^^ That's the spirit!
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Post by Mahaloth on Mar 24, 2013 17:50:43 GMT -8
So, we continue to play until the end, right? That is my decision for now, anyway.
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Post by Pleonast on Mar 25, 2013 7:26:07 GMT -8
Why would they no lynch? They have no indication you're dead, and since you're all dead you really shouldn't have half as much power as you actually do - you were caught for christ sake. A scum team that played poorly enough that all of them were caught should not be able to win. Otherwise it's not mafia, particularly when the rules indicate recruitment was possible (even though it wasn't) and don't clearly define much of the way of anything for the town - they don't know when you're all dead, they don't know when to stop, and the game should have ended the second you all failed to claim any new souls. While generally true, this isn't really applicable to this game. Most town players were given three hints about what they needed to do to win. Town has completed the first hint (eliminating the Devils), but has done poorly at the third hint (keeping their Cardinal Sins secret). In fact they've done so poorly with the third hint that Devils could still win despite being all dead. So the Devils still need to have a fair shot to capitalize on town's mistakes in that regard. But, with my completely spoiled view of the game state (which players here do not have), I'm thinking the chance of the Devils winning is very unlikely. Unlikely enough that I wanted to see if they'd concede, but not so unlikely that I'm ending the game unilaterally.
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Post by scratch on Mar 25, 2013 8:26:59 GMT -8
So, given the people currently being voted for, who would we like to see lynched.
wombat99 - who we know the CS for Sub Plank - We think we know the CS and we can prevent any lynch from being stopped Ginger - can stop sins being halved, although not sure what the CS is.
I think I would prefer to see JBG get lynched, if only because she prevents us picking up souls.
Any comments?
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Post by Mahaloth on Mar 25, 2013 16:33:29 GMT -8
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Post by scratch on Mar 25, 2013 23:08:51 GMT -8
Seeing as the answer is no, the Christians win if we don't collect enough souls, I think we can take her up on the offer. For instance, if the town was currently to continuously no lynch, we would lose.
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Post by scratch on Mar 26, 2013 7:30:59 GMT -8
Ok, given that we are likely to have four people residing in Purgatory, who should be trying to claim which soul?
What is likely to be the best combination of bonus powers or should we try and get every devil to have claimed at least soul?
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Post by Guiri on Mar 26, 2013 8:04:23 GMT -8
At this stage best to focus on the bonus powers. Ginger may interfere again so I'd suggest the weakest power be used on SilverJan.
How about:
CIAS (double lynch) - Crys, envy this time?
Mahaloth (infection) - Scathach, lust - any reason why? She said she had no sins, it's neither greed nor gluttony, but it's related to votes(N4), it sounds like Wrath or Pride, possibly Wrath since she's never used it (or so she claims)
Patricia (extra kill) - maybe wombat, greed for sure
Guiri (block) - SilverJan, lust again?
Vote Wombat
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Post by Guiri on Mar 26, 2013 10:07:44 GMT -8
Is this a valid wager? How would we determine who won? Pleo couldn't before endgame, as that would be a spoiler. We couldn't, who'd believe us? I think it has to be something that can be determined by the players in the game.
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Post by Pleonast on Mar 26, 2013 10:24:56 GMT -8
Is this a valid wager? How would we determine who won? Pleo couldn't before endgame, as that would be a spoiler. We couldn't, who'd believe us? I think it has to be something that can be determined by the players in the game. It is a valid wager. The moderator (me) adjudicates who wins or loses a wager, using potentially spoilered information.
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Post by scratch on Mar 26, 2013 10:38:15 GMT -8
Would we get confirmation of the success or not of each wager?
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Post by Pleonast on Mar 26, 2013 11:12:08 GMT -8
Would we get confirmation of the success or not of each wager? Yes, the results of all wagers are posted in Purgatory.
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Post by scratch on Mar 26, 2013 12:02:35 GMT -8
Would we get confirmation of the success or not of each wager? Yes, the results of all wagers are posted in Purgatory. Oh good, I wonder if we can use that to try and get those in Purgatory to guess the others Cardinal Sins - seeing as the result will be announced. ;D
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Post by paranoia on Mar 26, 2013 16:35:21 GMT -8
You know, you'd think those in purgatory would LISTEN when I say don't make deals with the devils, but what are you gonna do?
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Post by paranoia on Mar 26, 2013 16:37:06 GMT -8
Why would they no lynch? They have no indication you're dead, and since you're all dead you really shouldn't have half as much power as you actually do - you were caught for christ sake. A scum team that played poorly enough that all of them were caught should not be able to win. Otherwise it's not mafia, particularly when the rules indicate recruitment was possible (even though it wasn't) and don't clearly define much of the way of anything for the town - they don't know when you're all dead, they don't know when to stop, and the game should have ended the second you all failed to claim any new souls. Side note, I really shouldn't be going on and on about bad scum play with cuddles in thread over here. He's watched me fall flat on my face twice as scum (although both of those cases were open comms and I have never really quite got the hang of that. )
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Post by dizzy on Mar 26, 2013 20:54:15 GMT -8
Pleo, I don't think ANYONE expected the Devils to have full details of what the CS's all did.
A List of CS's sure, that's common knowledge, but knowing exactly what they did was a HUGE advantage IMO.
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Post by paranoia on Mar 26, 2013 22:30:26 GMT -8
Pleo, I don't think ANYONE expected the Devils to have full details of what the CS's all did. A List of CS's sure, that's common knowledge, but knowing exactly what they did was a HUGE advantage IMO. Yeah, that and the fact they have a complete role list kind of made my eye twitch a bit when I first landed in hell.
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Post by Guiri on Mar 26, 2013 22:50:38 GMT -8
I'll admit it was weird but in no way did it give us an advantage. Have you seen our wincon? Have you noticed how many of our night kills failed? How many protective/blocking powers did town have? How many players chose not to sin at all? How many roles prevented us from claiming souls? Even with the full list of roles (and we'd matched names to roles pretty soon on), town still managed a successful handshake, correctly suspected two of our fake claims, and most players have done well to keep their sin well hidden...
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Post by Pleonast on Mar 27, 2013 6:45:41 GMT -8
I feel that the hint "Never reveal to another player nor allow another player to figure out your Cardinal Sin" was sufficient warning. Especially the latter half of the hint about others figuring it out, which implies that more than the name of the Cardinal Sin is important.
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Post by dizzy on Mar 27, 2013 19:49:24 GMT -8
But to me, I read that as:
My Cardinal Sin is Lust, never tell anyone my sin is lust.
I never in a million years thought that saying that I wasted my sin on the morning where I was confirmed would have lead anyone to realize that my CS was Lust. To me, I never revealed my Cardinal Sin to anyone....until I found out that the Devils had a full descriptive list of everything that the sins did.
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Post by scratch on Mar 28, 2013 0:43:55 GMT -8
I wonder if anyone has managed to resist using their Cardinal Sin at all during the course of the game.
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