Hell Night Thirteen

[Pleonast]

Ready to concede?

If there is no successful kill, I am likely to call the game in favor of the non-Devils. Unless you can provide a way for the Devils to win after a no-lynch Day and no-kill Night.

[Mahaloth]

Isn't it a draw? Perhaps with nothing happening, they'll lynch tomorrow.

[Pleonast]

If there are no kills ToNight, and then the Devils must rely on the living players to lynch in order to win. So if there is not a Night kill ToNight and if they do not lynch again, the non-Devils win.

[silverjan]

Apr 11, 2013 19:25:31 GMT -8 Pleonast said:

If there are no kills ToNight, and then the Devils must rely on the living players to lynch in order to win. So if there is not a Night kill ToNight and if they do not lynch again, the non-Devils win.

Let's hope there is no lynch again

[scratch]

Actually, a second no lynch would be absolutely ideal.

Ok, the Devils can still win like this and its up to patricia to get it right and the remaining town to get it wrong.

First: Foreknowledge is a powerful thing, so we have to remove that option.

ToNight patricia puts in an NK order for one of the following and it doesn't matter which.

• Idle Thoughts with CS Greed
  
• Ryjae with CS Wrath

If the order is put in at the very end of Day, BillMc has no chance to see what we are doing and will have to submit his order, should he wish to, at the same time.

If we fail to get an NK, they will lynch ryjae tomorrow and then Colby will NK Idle Thoughts at Night. ryjae will go to purgatory with 6 sins - or three Nights guessing. However all they then have to do is wait for patricia to claim ryjae's soul and then on the next Night (Guardian Angel's have no time limit) protect Colby ending the game in a win for them.

At that point, the game may as well be conceeded.

If we get the NK, then tomorrow we really need to the town to No Lynch. Even them cross voting causes us problems.

The following Night, it is likely Colby will NK whoever is left, as he will be free from sin and shown no compunction in not using his power. This leaves patricia the following choice.

• NK Colby to win the game
  
• NK the other person in advance gaining the soul and giving us the means to kill Colby
  

BillMc's choices are as follows:

• Use his block toNight to try and prevent us gaining the NK.
  
• Wait for the following Night and try to guess which way we will go and try and block it again.
  

Its a long shot, but still possible despite BillMc, and I've seen stranger things happen.

Of course, if we could work out colby's CS, that gives us even more of a bonus on the following Night, but in a way, its not necessary.

So, that's the state of play. let the players take their actions. It's all up to them now.

@patricia: You get to make the most important choices. Don't tell us what you are doing and submit it as late as possible. This first part is all up to you.

@heaven and BillMc: May you get it wrong - just for once. ;D

I've probably missed a glaring vital point, but I'm having to much fun playing to mind.

Game on.

[Guiri]

Yeah, game on!

[Mahaloth]

Cool, let's continue.

[Guiri]

Patricia, did you submit a kill order?

[reaper]

yes, but it failed

[scratch]

Well if you did it as close to the deadline as possible, then I would guess that BillMc out-guessed you.

Ah, well. It was fun while it lasted.

[Mahaloth]

If Idle dies(via penalties, it looks like) and goes to heaven and we guess ryajae, where does that put us? If colby votes himself the next day and commits suicide, do we win? If not, can't we leave him there indefinitely until colby does lynch himself?

[Mahaloth]

I should add: "leave colby there until he lynches himself or dies from penalties"

[scratch]

Mahaloth - that's evil. Forcing Pleonast to continue the game until colby dies from lynch, mod-kill or he NKs himself, unless he specifically says he will not do so.

I like it

[Guiri]

Well, isn't that what we're waiting for? We win if they all die. We can't kill unless we manage to claim a soul and heaven doesn't interfere with the kill so it's a waiting game. If the remaining players declared their intention to vote "no lynch" for the remainder of the game, it's a stalemate. All it would take is for a penalty or two to cause them all to die.

As I presume Pleo didn't plan for the game to reach D14 with this waiting game, I'm willing to call it a draw so the other game can get started.

[Mahaloth]

Apr 14, 2013 11:51:22 GMT -8 Guiri said:

I'm willing to call it a draw so the other game can get started.

But I'm not. I think draw is our worst case scenario and don't mind going for the win. Or being declared the winning team since waiting should work out for us.

[scratch]

The most important thing about these games is to have fun regardless of the outcome.

Keeping that in mind, if the game stays as predicted, then I like the idea of a draw. It's been a fun game with interesting rules.

But, there is still time before the end of Day, who knows what might still happen. Like colby now voting Idle Thoughts? I wonder how Idle T will respond?

[Pleonast]

Apr 14, 2013 11:51:22 GMT -8 Guiri said:

Well, isn't that what we're waiting for? We win if they all die. We can't kill unless we manage to claim a soul and heaven doesn't interfere with the kill so it's a waiting game. If the remaining players declared their intention to vote "no lynch" for the remainder of the game, it's a stalemate. All it would take is for a penalty or two to cause them all to die.

If the living players made clear their intent to not lynch again, and the Devils had no remaining ways to cause death, I'd call it a non-Devil win. It wouldn't be a draw, because the Devils would clearly have no way to win.