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Post by Pleonast on Feb 11, 2014 7:40:56 GMT -8
Askthepizzaguy is singlehandedly trying to get the Pagans to lose. At least Red Skeezix has the right idea. And Scathach is close, too.
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Post by texcat on Feb 11, 2014 12:22:24 GMT -8
SilverJan says,
*** Looks around heaven for Christians. Doesn't see any. *** Where do they get these ideas?
Are they reading "must be" to mean "are"? It doesn't seem like they are reading it to mean "must be in order for you to win".
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Post by giraffe001 on Feb 13, 2014 9:18:41 GMT -8
Pizza drives me nuts. He's brilliant just often enough that it completely fucks me over when he's Town and off the rails or scum.
But I'm not understanding how the Pagans aren't realizing that they need to kill the Christians. Sure, I get being suspicious that they only needed to kill one Devil, that is pretty strange. And it's got to be hard to change gears from scum hunting to Christian killing. But the PM says it flat out! Kill those Christians!!
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Post by swammerdami on Feb 13, 2014 9:35:52 GMT -8
But I'm not understanding how the Pagans aren't realizing that they need to kill the Christians. The Christians sort of had the excuse that their "must be at least half" PM was ambiguous. But Pagans posted their PM ("Now that all the Devils are dead, you discover that all Christians must be dead as well") which should have ended that delusion. I wonder if the psychology of the terms is affecting players. If the terms Pagan and Christian were reversed and "Pagans converting to Christianity" were replaced with "Christians renouncing their faith" then maybe the psychology would reverse! I planned to use my only Power if a Pagan were winning the Lynch vote, with a Christian 2nd. But No Lynch is 2nd ... with Pagans leading the charge to kill one of their own.
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Post by swammerdami on Feb 13, 2014 9:39:50 GMT -8
... But, on the topic of ambiguity ...
"2. Once per game, during the Day, you may prevent a living player from being lynched. The player with the next highest number of votes will be lynched instead."
Pleonast, since there is no "player" No Lynch, if I exercise this power with No Lynch 2nd, is it the 3rd-place (2nd-place "player") who gets Lynched?
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Post by giraffe001 on Feb 13, 2014 11:30:16 GMT -8
swammerdami, you may want to block Enderboy's conversion power rather than blocking the lynch: Town tends to simply re-lynch whoever they tried to lynch the first time when the lynch fails. Look at MHaye.
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 13, 2014 12:54:52 GMT -8
No Lynch would win if the otherwise winner is protected.
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Post by texcat on Feb 13, 2014 13:50:19 GMT -8
Welcome to heaven, Dizzy, you traitor you.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 13, 2014 13:54:10 GMT -8
LOL! I'm still trying to wrap my head over what the heck is going on here and if I did a good thing or not by asking to die.
I was back and forth over claiming being sinless, having gotten both messages I converted because I thought that Christians would have the easier win at this point, over Pagains, but then I was hoping that getting to Heaven was the ultimate goal.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 13, 2014 14:05:28 GMT -8
And Yeah I believed the message, but also thought that we needed to get people in heaven. It didn't cross my mind that Devils could guess sins prior to us being dead!
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Post by texcat on Feb 13, 2014 15:05:33 GMT -8
Where is the devil anyway? Has he gone AWOL?
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Post by texcat on Feb 20, 2014 19:45:49 GMT -8
Perhaps the problem is that the message sent to everyone when the devil was killed was not labeled as a wincon?
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 21, 2014 7:26:45 GMT -8
That is a source of the confusion, but several players have figured it out. Part of the trouble is Christians have no incentive to push the correct interpretation, because it puts them at a disadvantage.
I think pizza actually understands, but because they think they can't overcome two recruiters is pretending to play dumb. The "lynch sinless Christians" is (partially) a valid tactic for Pagans to win. Note to pizza and other players: believe the moderator when the rules give an explicit warning about how the game is balanced.
It's unfortunate for the Devil that the killing roles were the first to be eliminated. Had Silver Jan not blocked brewha's power on Mahaloth on Night One, the game would've gone completely differently.
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Post by swammerdami on Feb 24, 2014 13:25:50 GMT -8
Enderboy has posted his target list:
What's the special surprise? I've already sent a Block Enderboy order. Should I rescind it?
ETA: ... Or not. Dawn has arrived by now anyway, I guess.
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Post by brewha on Feb 28, 2014 8:19:04 GMT -8
That is a source of the confusion, but several players have figured it out. Part of the trouble is Christians have no incentive to push the correct interpretation, because it puts them at a disadvantage. I think pizza actually understands, but because they think they can't overcome two recruiters is pretending to play dumb. The "lynch sinless Christians" is (partially) a valid tactic for Pagans to win. Note to pizza and other players: believe the moderator when the rules give an explicit warning about how the game is balanced. It's unfortunate for the Devil that the killing roles were the first to be eliminated. Had Silver Jan not blocked brewha's power on Mahaloth on Night One, the game would've gone completely differently. Quite! It would have made things far more messy. I haven't been keeping up. Can someone give me a quick synopsis of what's going on? Do we Pagans still have a shot?
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Post by Guiri on Mar 1, 2014 3:24:25 GMT -8
Hi all!
What's with all the anti-Christian sentiment? Don't the rules state "Note that the Pagan and Christian win conditions are not mutually exclusive.", why aren't we using our powers to help a common win?
Anyone know why Packratter killed me?
Is there an updated count of souls? I think there are 2 in hell, 2 in purgatory, and 6 in heaven, just 2 Christian sin heaven but it appears that one's religious beliefs don't actually count once dead, right?
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Post by Guiri on Mar 1, 2014 7:11:54 GMT -8
"Note that the Pagan and Christian win conditions are not mutually exclusive." Is this a typo? How can both factions win? Christians need to be half the number of living players, as well as 50% of all souls in heaven or 2 cycles without deaths. Pagans need all Christians dead, as well the extra conditions.
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Post by Pleonast on Mar 3, 2014 9:15:09 GMT -8
Pagans and Christians can both win if everyone is dead.
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Post by texcat on Mar 6, 2014 14:19:40 GMT -8
So I make it on Day 9: 12 of 23 dead: 9 in heaven, 2 in hell, 1 in purgatory 11 still alive: 3 Christians (Mahaloth poisoned tho), 7 Pagans, and SilverJan
Only one more in heaven to insure that the Devil doesn't win, but between the Christians and the Pagans?
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Post by Guiri on Mar 7, 2014 2:02:56 GMT -8
Another silly question, apologies... Could we have prevented Packratter's death? I entirely missed the welcome to hell message...
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Post by Pleonast on Mar 7, 2014 7:21:20 GMT -8
So I make it on Day 9: 12 of 23 dead: 9 in heaven, 2 in hell, 1 in purgatory 11 still alive: 3 Christians (Mahaloth poisoned tho), 7 Pagans, and SilverJan Only one more in heaven to insure that the Devil doesn't win, but between the Christians and the Pagans? 3 more in Heaven to bring it up to 12 will stop the Devils. On Earth we have 3 Christians vs 8 everyone else. Either 3 more conversions needed or 3 Christian deaths needed. Another silly question, apologies... Could we have prevented Packratter's death? I entirely missed the welcome to hell message... Yes, the first Heaven power blocks it. Unfortunately for the Devil, Packratter cleansed themself at the same time, so went to Heaven.
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Post by texcat on Mar 7, 2014 16:58:52 GMT -8
:duh 3 more in heaven. Would you believe I was a math major?
When I saw Mahaloth was poisoned, I thought Pizza had finally woken up and was going to kill him, but I see on the witch board that he was just trying to rid himself of sins. Hehe. This game could go on until next Christmas.
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Post by Pleonast on Mar 14, 2014 7:26:37 GMT -8
Based on the current state of the game and the current condition of the moderator, I think I should call the game in favor of the Pagans. Pagans are eventually going to eliminate the Christians, and the odds of the Devil getting enough souls is virtually nil.
But please give me your opinions.
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Post by texcat on Mar 14, 2014 11:51:46 GMT -8
I'd call it a draw between the Christians and the Pagans. The Christians still have a good chance of converting enough of the Pagans for a victory. I agree the Devil has no chance of getting enough souls.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Mar 15, 2014 4:58:46 GMT -8
I ditto Texcat to call it in favor of the Christian/Pagans.
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