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Post by Pleonast on Sept 7, 2012 7:20:49 GMT -8
Hmm, swapping the Necro to a Day action and Vicar to a Night action would solve most the problems. Thematically strange, though.
I've thought about adding different Cabal roles, but I think I like the uniformity of the team. It makes a nice contrast to the other sides.
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Post by Pleonast on Sept 7, 2012 12:07:51 GMT -8
Day Three looks to be interesting.
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Post by catinasuit on Sept 7, 2012 13:14:53 GMT -8
Day Three looks to be interesting. You don't say. I can't wait until tomorrow morning when two Witch Doctors turn up dead just to add further confusion. I wonder why BillMc did claim now, when there has always been the possibility of multiple roles in the game?
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Post by innerstickler on Sept 7, 2012 13:37:22 GMT -8
Because how likely is it that it's a duplicate role vs a lying scummer? Answer: not very likely.
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Post by Pleonast on Sept 7, 2012 13:51:15 GMT -8
Because how likely is it that it's a duplicate role vs a lying scummer? Answer: not very likely. That kind of logic will lead very often lead you astray in any game designed by Pleonast. :evil: ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ On a related note, yet another edge case that I did not address in the rules: two Magicians targeting each other. What happens when a killer targets one of them? And more generally, what happens when a redirection loop is formed? I'll need to think about this. There may be separate answer for this game (what's fair given the current rules as written and the current setup) and for future games (what's the best in terms of the game in general).
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Post by mhaye on Sept 7, 2012 14:23:21 GMT -8
On a related note, yet another edge case that I did not address in the rules: two Magicians targeting each other. What happens when a killer targets one of them? And more generally, what happens when a redirection loop is formed? You want a suggestion? Each such power can apply to a situation only once. So, for example, if M 1 and M 2 target each other, and a killer tries to eat the face of M 1, the attack gets redirected to M 2, then back to M 1, where it ends. M 1 is killed. (The inspiration is the class of effecxts in Magic: the Gathering called "replacement effects" which replace one action with another.)
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Post by Pleonast on Sept 7, 2012 19:53:10 GMT -8
That is a good idea.
I've already answered two players who've PM'd me about it by saying basically "it's undefined; you don't know". I don't want to even indirectly confirm that there may be more than one Magician in this current game.
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Post by Pleonast on Sept 8, 2012 8:55:07 GMT -8
Argh! I just realized that I made a mistake. I was so concentrating on getting the redirections correct I got a result wrong. I reported BillMc is Wolf, when they should be Town, because vindictus is an Omega Wolf.
I'm not sure there's anyway to remedy the error without making it worse. I think the best option is to hope it doesn't change the outcome. Hopefully the confusion with redirects puts enough doubt to not cause a big problem.
But no excuse for making such a basic mistake.
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Post by innerstickler on Sept 8, 2012 14:42:38 GMT -8
Because how likely is it that it's a duplicate role vs a lying scummer? Answer: not very likely. That kind of logic will lead very often lead you astray in any game designed by Pleonast. :evil: That's why C5 was such a brouhaha with 3 warlocks. Wait, no, 2 of them were lying scummers.
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Post by catinasuit on Sept 10, 2012 0:20:55 GMT -8
That's why C5 was such a brouhaha with 3 warlocks. Wait, no, 2 of them were lying scummers. There have been plenty of games with double Town roles in, so assuming there is only one is always a bad idea in Conspiracy. I can see BillMc trying to get himself lynched to prove the point that he is a Magician, but tomorrow morning will throw everything into doubt. Of course in doing so, it really, really hurts the town as its one less person the Witches can recruit. Actually if BillMc goes, the Witches only have two recruits they can use, a big bonus for the Cabal. Also, can the Wolves make it to Day 4 without a loss, that would have to be a first.
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Post by catinasuit on Sept 10, 2012 0:30:34 GMT -8
Amusing thought: Did FSwG save Guiri?
If the result has come back Wolf, I'm fairly sure the Witches would have announced it, but by coming back as Cabal, he is not as much of a problem atm, and so they will hold it in reserve instead of lynching one of the group who is doing ok.
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Post by catinasuit on Sept 12, 2012 0:22:45 GMT -8
Well at this point, I think the Undead are pretty much screwed seeing as Red is now permanently subject blocked and won't be raising zombies any time soon.
More amusing is the Witch situation. Scuba is is subject blocked, so can't carry out an investigation or protection and even worse, if septimus carries out an investigation or protection, he will kill the person instead.
Not looking too good for the town really.
Cabal and Wolves are in a much better position.
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Post by Pleonast on Sept 12, 2012 6:40:18 GMT -8
Cabal and Wolves are in a much better position. Except for the persistent non-participants. It's almost to the point that the Wolves would do well to bus the current Alpha.
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Post by Pleonast on Sept 12, 2012 7:53:03 GMT -8
Well, it looks like Wolves may just win this come Dawn. They're at 5 Wolves vs 8 Town plus Cabal.
Cabalist Flying Squid with Goggles is planning to kill Witch Septimus. That's one down.
Witch Septimus is intending to protect Witch Scuba Ben, but because of the lingering Vampire hypnosis, will instead kill. Of course, it's being redirected onto Cabalist Wombat99. That's two down.
The Wolves are working towards killing Vicar Askthepizzaguy. That's three down.
Game over.
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Post by catinasuit on Sept 12, 2012 9:01:15 GMT -8
Well if there are no Wolf deaths after four cycles, then they deserve to win.
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Post by Pleonast on Sept 12, 2012 9:54:48 GMT -8
Three cycles. But yes, with Wolves avoiding the lynch three times (Town mislynching effectively twice), and what will be seven Night kills of Town and Cabal points to a Wolf win.
It looks like the Cabal is considering to subject-block Septimus, which would stop the Wolf win, ironically.
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Post by catinasuit on Sept 13, 2012 0:05:02 GMT -8
....and its game over.
Nice game Pleonast, glad I could help out.
First non-town victory in Conspiracy, and they didn't even use their secret power.
I look forward to helping out with the next one.
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